American Taliban

Via PZ Myers at Pharyngula comes a story about "Joel's Army" a quasi militia looking to set up a Christian Taliban in America. Disappointingly the majority of the followers of this dominionist nutbag are young. It also seems that Sarah Palin's church is connected to them. More below.

These guys seem almost too crazy to be true. I'm mostly going to let them speak for them selves.

In fact, what takes place onstage at the Florida Outpouring looks more like a pro wrestling extravaganza than church. On stage, Bentley and his team of pastors, yell, chant, and scream "Fire!" and "Bam!" while anointing followers.

Not all that suprising to anyone who's been to a pentacostal church.

Joel's Army followers believe that once democratic institutions are overthrown, their hierarchy of apostles and prophets will rule over the earth, with one church per city.

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According to Joel's Army doctrine, the enforcers of the five-fold ministry will be members of the final generation, for whom the landmark Supreme Court decision Roe v. Wade constituted a new Passover.

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"Everyone born after abortion's legalization can consider their birth a personal invitation to take part in this great army," writes John Crowder, another prominent Joel's Army pastor, who bills his 2006 book, The New Mystics: How to Become Part of the Supernatural Generation, as a literal how-to guide for joining Joel's Army.

"As the church begins to take on this resolve, they [Joel's Army churches] will start to be thought of more as military bases, and they will begin to take on the characteristics of military bases for training, equipping, and deploying effective spiritual forces," Joyner wrote. "In time, the church will actually be organized more as a military force with an army, navy, air force, etc."

In a sort of disclaimer, Joyner writes at one point that God's army "will bring love, peace and stability wherever they go." But several of his books narrate with glee what he describes as "a coming civil war within the church." In his 1997 book The Harvest he writes: "Some pastors and leaders who continue to resist this tide of unity will be removed from their place. Some will become so hardened they will become opposers and resist God to the end."

Two years later, in his book The Final Quest, Joyner described a vision (taken as prophecy in the Joel's Army world, where Joyner is considered an "apostle") of the coming Christian Civil War in which demon-possessed Christian soldiers enslave other, weaker Christians who resist them. He also describes how the hero of the novel -- himself -- ascends a "Holy Mountain" in order to learn new truths and to acquire new, magic weapons.

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Michael Barkun, a leading scholar of radical religion, notes that in 1958, Branham began teaching "Serpent Seed" doctrine, the belief that Satan had sex with Eve, resulting in Cain and his descendants. "Through Cain came all the smart, educated people down to the antediluvian flood -- the intellectuals, bible colleges," Branham wrote in the kind of anti-mainstream religion, anti-intellectual spirit that pervades the Joel's Army movement to this day. "They know all their creeds but know nothing about God."

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According to Gruen's report, students at the school were taught that they were a "super-race" of the "elected seed" of all the best bloodlines of all generations -- foreknown, predestined, and hand-selected from billions of others to be part of the "end-time Omega generation."

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one that is still frequently cited by Joel's Army followers: "Those in this army will have His kind of power. ... Anyone who wants to harm them must die."

Jesus Christ. The whole article is well worth the read. It is almost unfathomable to me that these people can actually believe this, but then I think back and realize I've been to churches like this back when I was a believer. I suppose it should come as no suprise that the people behind Jesus Camp are affiliated with these nuts.

One more quote:

"Some people snort cocaine, others snort religions," Joel's Army Pastor Roy said while ministering a morning program at Todd Bentley's Lakeland, Fla., revival in late May.

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Pander McPanderson Chooses a Creationist for VP

John McCain has chosen Alaska Governor Sarah Palin as his running mate. Not that I had high hopes for the McCain campaign, but I had hoped the man who called Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson agents of intolerance wouldn't have chosen a fundamentalist as his running mate. Alas Palin is an extremely conservative fundamentalist who supports the teaching of creationism in public schools.

In unrelated political news Senator Elizabeth Dole (R-NC) attacks democratic opponant Kay Hagan for attending a fundraiser hosted by non-believers. Read more at The Friendly Atheist.

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Evolving the Winning(and Losing) Stance

Today being the end of Bejing’s awesome Olympic debut, I’d like to add a little science to what Olympic viewers might like to know: winning and losing poses are evolved human behaviors.

A recent study reported earlier this month that the poses us humans strike when we win(arms in the air, head thrown back, and a puffed out chest), and lose(shoulders slumped inward and a narrowed chest) are found in all humans and are not culturally induced.

The study documented the behaviors of winning and losing athletes during the 2004 Olympic and Paralympic games among sighted people, those born blind, and those who became blind later in life. They found throughout all of them, that their behaviors were very similar.

There was a difference among whether or not certain cultures chose to display their reactions though. Sighted athletes in Western cultures that value individualism would less likely exhibit behaviors of shame in losing, probably because westerners are taught to withdraw from showing shame. Those cultures who value collectivism, like many Asian countries, still do and are taught to show behaviors of an Olympic fail.

The report shows that those who were blind at birth had no way of learning how to react to a win or a loss, and that their reactions must have been naturally authentic. Their behaviors demonstrate that how we react is a part of human nature.

The winning pose, exhibiting the expansion of the body, lets others know that you are bigger than you appear and establishes your victory with a display of dominance. It shows that you are powerful and in control; this behavior would have been selected for over the course of human evolution to display success.

The losing pose, having a shrunken, closed body, demonstrates that you’ve recognized your loss and are submissive to those around you. Admitting that you just messed up and are willing to submit to others could have been selected for, as dominance is such an important factor. A display of shame had become a trait all humans can show.

This isn’t just for us sapiens either; the other primates have shown this just as well. Chimps also sport the inflated look of power and deflated look of shame in their dominance displays, but studies have yet to be done on what exact behaviors lead to their displays.

With the Bejing Olympic Games now at a close, look for the poses athletes strike in their moments of glory or defeat, and know that it’s just another thing that makes all similar. It truly is a fascinating thought that evolutionary behaviors can somewhat unite us as a species, whether we win or lose.

Credited article to LiveScience, and Emilee Wong for telling me. Permalink!

Idiot Wind

Today's* lesson in absurdity comes via Dennis Prager at WingNut

Daily. I really need to stay way from this site; every time I go there I end up really pissy all night. Reading through this abortion of an argument I ended up pounding my palm into my face every other sentence. I his article Prager gives "14" reasons why it would be bad if there is no god, in reality these reasons boil down 7 basic objections and a big fat argumentum ad consequentiam. More below the fold.

Lets get started. Bonus exercise see if you can count how many logical fallacies appear in the article.

What one almost never hears described are the deleterious consequences of secularism – the terrible developments that have accompanied the breakdown of traditional religion and belief in God. For every thousand students who learn about the Spanish Inquisition and the Salem Witch Trials, maybe two learn to associate Gulag, Auschwitz, the Cultural Revolution and the Cambodian genocide with secular regimes and ideologies.

Can Christians please come up with some with some new arguments? Please? This canard has been dealt with innumerable times. Richard Dawkins covers it effectively in The God Delusion. Christopher Hitchens demolishes it in God Is Not Great. Sam Harris debunked it in The End Of Faith, then, when Christians missed the point and brought it up he covered it again in the afterword to the paperback edition. I'll deal with it in more depth a little bit later.

For all the problems associated with belief in God, the death of God leads to far more of them.

That remains to be seen.

1. Without God, there is no good and evil; there are only subjective opinions that we then label "good" and "evil." This does not mean that an atheist cannot be a good person. Nor does it mean that all those who believe in God are good; there are good atheists and there are bad believers in God. It simply means that unless there is a moral authority that transcends humans from which emanates an objective right and wrong, "right" and "wrong" no more objectively exist than do "beautiful" and "ugly."
   
   

Really? You're gonna open with that? The Euthyphro dilemma was first put forward by Plato; basically Socrates asks "Is that which is good commanded by God because it's good, or is it good because God commands it?" The dilemma shows us that morality dictated by a god is just as arbitrary as the relative morality decried by Prager and his ilk. The fact that the Buddha and Confucius had conceptions of the golden rule and other moral precepts five hundred years prior to the life of Jesus and with no exposure to Judeo-Christian writings or philosophy stands in stark contrast to Prager's claim. In addition there is relatively new research in to the evolutionary origins of morality. These evolutionary origins are a very interesting topic that deserves a post of its own at some other time. Suffice it to say that god did it is not a sufficient explanation for proto-morality in great apes.

Without God, there is no objective meaning to life. We are all merely random creations of natural selection whose existence has no more intrinsic purpose or meaning than that of a pebble equally randomly produced.

This is true enough, I could facetiously say that our purpose in life is to pass on our genes with as little error as possible, but that is not what Prager means. Prager is appealing to the worst solipsism in our nature, claiming that we need to be special - the universe was created with me in mind. This is simply vanity; the universe couldn't care less if you live or die, if you fail or achieve, if are good or bad. That scares people, they want to be important, they want to make a difference. And they do. We have an impact on the people we encounter in our lives, and isn't that enough? We make our own purpose in life and that's fine. For more on this subject check out this essay by Penn Jillette.

Life is ultimately a tragic fare if there is no God. We live, we suffer, we die – some horrifically, many prematurely – and there is only oblivion afterward.

Somebody call the whambulance. Do you really want to live forever, doing nothing but praising god forever? As Christopher Hitchens says a "Celestial North Korea." Ya it sucks that some people die early, get over it. Its only the people who survive that care. To quote/paraphrase Epicurus:

Why should I fear death? When I am, death is not. When death is, I am not. Why should I fear that which cannot exist when I do?

These words really struck me the first time I heard them and I haven't been afraid of death since then. I don't want to die but I will and that's ok.

Human beings need instruction manuals. This is as true for acting morally and wisely as it is for properly flying an airplane. One's heart is often no better a guide to what is right and wrong than it is to the right and wrong way to fly an airplane. The post-religious secular world claims to need no manual; the heart and reason are sufficient guides to leading a good life and to making a good world.

This is basically the same point as number two and it didn't become any more cogent the second time around. We are evolutionarily programmed to be able to survive - just like any other animal. Homo sapiens has been a distinct species on this planet at least 100,000 years and maybe as long as 250,000 years; Judaism has been around 6,000 years at most, Christianity 2000. Humanity survived for 194,000 years without some Judeo-Christian instruction manual we can do it again.

If there is no God, the kindest and most innocent victims of torture and murder have no better a fate after death than do the most cruel torturers and mass murderers. Only if there is a good God do Mother Teresa and Adolf Hitler have different fates.

Hey this looks familiar, oh its the same as point three and its still irrelevant(this is going to be a recurring theme). If you read the Missionary Position: Mother Teresa in Theory and Practice by Christopher Hitchens you might come to the conclusion that Mother Teresa is vastly over praised and not deserving of the respect she gets. Regardless it doesn't matter, death is final accept it and be happy, enjoy the one life you do get.

With the death of Judeo-Christian values in the West, many Westerners believe in little. That is why secular Western Europe has been unwilling and therefore unable to confront evil, whether it was Communism during the Cold War or Islamic totalitarians in its midst today.

Please. Some of the most famous atheists in the world are very loud in their condemnation of Islamic extremism. Christopher Hitchens is one of the biggest warhawks around and led a demonstration in support of the Danish cartoonists. Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Sam Harris are also staunch critics of Islam. I do agree that often times liberals are unwilling to criticize Islam to the degree that it should, but these tend to be liberal Christians, and even President Bush is quick to say that Islam is a religion of peace, and that we are only fighting the extremists in it.

Without God, people in the West often become less, not more, rational. It was largely the secular, not the religious, who believed in the utterly irrational doctrine of Marxism. It was largely the secular, not the religious, who believed that men's and women's natures are basically the same, that perceived differences between the sexes are all socially induced. Religious people in Judeo-Christian countries largely confine their irrational beliefs to religious beliefs (theology), while the secular, without religion to enable the non-rational to express itself, end up applying their irrational beliefs to society, where such irrationalities do immense harm.

Wow. Abandoning irrational religious beliefs makes people more irrational. Also religious people don't inject their irrationality in to society? George Bush thinking God is telling him to invade Iraq isn't doing immense harm? The position of the Catholic Church on contraception is one of the most harmful beliefs in the world today. In sub-saharan Africa where huge swaths of the population are infected with HIV the Catholic clergy lies to people saying condoms don't prevent HIV and that AIDS is a conspiracy to kill blacks. Millions of people hear them spew these lies, often times in remote villages where the clergy is the only authority on contraception. Because of the lies that these people spew millions of people have been infected and millions more will become infected and die from HIV. The story is nearly identical here in the U.S. where religiously motivated politicians are blocking research involving stem cells - research that could save thousands of lives and alleviate the suffering of millions more here in the U.S. And Dennis Prager has the gall to say that religious people are more rational than non-religious people.

If there is no God, the human being has no free will. He is a robot whose every action is dictated by genes and environment. Only if one posits human creation by a Creator that transcends genes and environment who implanted the ability to transcend genes and environment can humans have free will.

This has to be a joke. Free will is impossible in a world with a being such as the Abrahamic god. By definition an omnipotent and omniscient being would know everything past present and future. Meaning that the future is set and there is no free will.

If there is no God, humans and "other" animals are of equal value. Only if one posits that humans, not animals, are created in the image of God do humans have any greater intrinsic sanctity than baboons. This explains the movement among the secularized elite to equate humans and animals.

Why put other in scare quotes? We are animals and there is nothing wrong with that. Most behavior expressed in humans is also expressed in many animals. We see proto-morality in both great apes and cetaceans. We see language abilities in Gorilla who learn sign language and Orcas have distinct dialogues in their speech patterns broken down by pods. We are not all that far off from many animals and that does raise some ethical questions with regards to their treatment. Note one behavior exhibited in humans that to the best of my knowledge does not appear in the animal kingdom - war.

Without God, there is little to inspire people to create inspiring art. That is why contemporary art galleries and museums are filled with "art" that celebrates the scatological, the ugly and the shocking. Compare this art to Michelangelo's art in the Sistine Chapel. The latter elevates the viewer – because Michelangelo believed in something higher than himself and higher than all men

Without God, nothing is holy. This is definitional. Holiness emanates from a belief in the holy. This explains, for example, the far more widespread acceptance of public cursing in secular society than in religious society. To the religious, there is holy speech and profane speech. In much of secular society, the very notion of profane speech is mocked.

Atheists can't create art? Berlioz (Life of Berlioz, 1903, p. 298) didn't create art? Brahms (Letters of J. Brahms: The Hersogenberg Correspondence, English translation 1909) Bizet? John Lennon? Pink Floyd? This is the same asinine crap as the instruction manual from number four.

Without God, humanist hubris is almost inevitable. If there is nothing higher than man, no Supreme Being, man becomes the supreme being.

With or with out god religious hubris is a given. It is somewhat poetic that the man who was just whining about how humans have to be special and set apart from animals is going to accuse someone else of hubris. This man claims to know the mind of a god, to know who this god character wants you to sleep with, what you are supposed to eat, how you are supposed worship, and that this god cares about him personally; and hes going to talk about arrogance?

Without God, there are no inalienable human rights. Evolution confers no rights. Molecules confer no rights. Energy has no moral concerns. That is why America's founders wrote in the Declaration of Independence that we are endowed "by our Creator" with certain inalienable rights. Rights depend upon a moral source, a rights giver.

I have to be honest here, I don't really have an understanding of the philosophy involved in this question. So here is a collection of essays on morality and atheism.

"Without God," Dostoevsky famously wrote, "all is permitted." There has been plenty of evil committed by believers in God, but the widespread cruelties and the sheer number of innocents murdered by secular regimes – specifically Nazi, Fascist and Communist regimes – dwarfs the evil done in the name of religion.

Here Prager opens with Dostoevsky's famous quote. There is just one problem with that: Dostoevsky never actually wrote it. It is an accurate description of the philosophy espoused by Ivan Karamazov in Brothers Karamazov, but Ivan admits in the book that he doesn't really believe this, and it is unclear if Dostoevsky actually believed it either. Not that relevant but still, can we have some fact checking?

Speaking of fact checking, Prager's ignorance of history is almost embarrassing. To call fascism a secular ideology is abjectly false. Fascism was, if anything, a movement of the Roman Catholic right wing in Europe and later in Latin America. Mussolini, Franco, Pavelić (Croatia), and Pinochet were all practicing Catholics in majority Catholic countries. Hell Andrej Hlinka, the leader of the fascist movement in Slovakia, was an ordained Catholic priest. The fascist movement as a whole had a close relationship with the Vatican. This is not to say that the Catholicism in these countries was the cause of fascism and the brutality associated with it (with the exception of Croatia where religion probably played the major role). There were numerous economic and nationalistic factors that also played major roles in the turmoil of the time. My point is a) fascism was certainly not a secular ideology and b) the religiosity of those countries did nothing to mitigate the atrocity.

Of particular note is the extreme brutality of the Ustaše regime in Croatia. The Ustaše engaged in a brutal campaign of persecution against the orthodox Serbs that lived in Croatia. Estimates range from 300,000 to 700,000 Serbs murdered, with another 250,000 forcibly expelled from Croatia, and a further 250,000 forced to convert to Catholicism. The brutality of the Ustaše regime was so extreme that the German army officers stationed in Croatia were stunned by the horror.

The Catholic clergy was also complicit in the smuggling of war criminals, such as Klaus Barbie and Dr. Joseph Mengele, out of postwar Europe and into South America where they would aid the brutal dictators of that region during the 1970's.

Nazi Germany was a more complex situation. Adolf Hitler was most certainly not an atheist. However it is not fair to call him a Christian. Hitler's beliefs were a mash up of the Catholicism he was raised in, the Lutheranism that was prevalent in Germany, and Aryan blood myths.

Now, Stalin probably was an atheist, and he did engage in persecutions of religious groups in the Soviet Union. However, as is often the case there are multiple factors to consider. First we have to look at the context of the Soviet Union in the 1930's. Russia was not that far removed from the brutality of the Tsarist government; a government that was among the most brutal in history. In Tsarist Russia the Russian Orthodox church controlled massive amounts of money and land. The Tsar ruled by divine right and was considered to be something a little more than human. After the Bolsheviks took over they engaged in systematic persecution of the Russian Orthodox Church because the church was a threat to them, other religious groups also got caught in that net. It is also worth noting that Stalin's atheism was very different from the rational atheism of Richard Dawkins. For example Stalin rejected Darwin's Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection as too capitalistic. In summation Stalin was an atheist who committed great atrocities, but he committed those atrocities in the name of communism not atheism.

All that said, this article is just a big fat red herring. None of the arguments put forward by Prager are at all relevant to the question of the existence of any god, much less the existence of the specific god of his choosing.

As noted at the beginning, none of this proves, or even necessarily argues for, God's existence. It makes the case for the necessity, not the existence, of God.

Oh so you know that, and yet you still wrote the article. Even if every point he made were true; it wouldn't mean a damn thing. To quote the great Bob Dylan, "You're an idiot babe, its a wonder that you still know how to breathe."

Hat tip to The Atheist Experience for pointing me to this steaming pile of stupidity.

* The article is actually a couple of days old, I started writing this the day it came out but my abstract algebra midterm today got in the way.
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Bigfoot in Your Mouth

In the past couple of months, there’s been a lot of buzz in the world of Bigfoot sightings and urban myth. Two figureheads in the quest to find Bigfoot, Matt Whitton and Rick Dyer, announced on YouTube in July that a full carcass of a species known as the legendary Bigfoot was discovered, encased in a block of ice.

“Everyone who has talked down to us is going to eat their words," Whitton said at the time.

Just days ago, the supposed “evidence” for Bigfoot was thawed out, revealing that it was nothing more than a rubber gorilla suit. I haven’t heard of any comment from Whitton or Dyer about the failed discovery of a Bigfoot.

This raises more eyebrows about the search for such urban legend and modern mythological creatures. There’s been none or such little scientific evidence for the existence of such creatures like Bigfoot, Loch Ness, and others, and still many people are so intrigued with the idea and so adamant about discovering their existence.

These kinds of things grasp our imagination and our quest for discovery. Unfortunately, because they’ve come close to things we already know, human ancestors and dinosaurs respectively, Bigfoot and Loch Ness come close to being real. Close, but not enough to be. Our minds love to make interesting things out of nothing, compelling us to see what we want. Loch Ness turned out to be a piece of driftwood, or flock of birds. Bigfoot turned out to be a man in a hairy costume, or a frozen gorilla suit.

I really don’t see why they’re that interesting in the first place. They’re cool ideas I guess, but the world and universe we already know is much more fascinating! These urban legends might’ve more interesting if they actually had some substantial evidence, but after all these attempts, none has shown up.

What’s really interesting here, are those who dedicate their lives to chasing after fairy tales. It really is quite sad and desperate, and I’d be a little more sympathetic if I weren’t snickering at how ridiculous it all is.

A rubber gorilla suit, hahaha!

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Pumping in Prayer

So there’s been a recent sharp drop in U.S. gas prices, from an average of $4.00 a gallon to $3.80. I guess that’s a pretty big drop, and Rocky Twyman knows just how it happened.

Twyman, 59, started the group Pray at the Pump back in April, holding meetings nationwide at gas stations to hold hands and pray for lower gas prices. Celebrating their success, the group sang "We shall overcome," changing the words of the hymn to "We'll have lower gas prices".

"We don't have anybody else to turn to but God," Twyman told the BBC. "We have
to turn these problems over to God and not to man."

It really is a shame that they’ve given up on human endeavors, turning to an invisible someone who’s failed billions of times before.

The group is quite confident that market forces had nothing to do with lowering gas prices, and that it was their actions that caused the drop. Prayer at the Pump will continue their meetings in hopes to reduce gas prices even further.

"We believe not just in prayer - because we believe that faith without works is
dead. So we've encouraged people to car-pool more and organize their days more,
because it's a combination of faith with these other factors."

But wait, didn’t they just say man couldn’t solve these problems? Never mind, at least they’re trying.

Well, isn’t that just dandy? I guess prayer must really work! Or not! I wonder why god couldn’t have reduced gas prices down to an even lower price! Why not make it free and create an abundance of fuel? Also, I’m sure there were fluctuations in price between April and now, what took god so long? Maybe they had bad reception.

This all just shows a shining example that if you pray and you get the result you want, you may rejoice in how much it “worked,” given that it something that actually may happen with or without your dialogue with they sky. If you don’t get what you want, your prayers just aren’t being “answered” right away and you keep on truckin’. Either way, you win.

If someone’s going to pray for some solution to fuels, maybe someone should pray for an unlimited, clean, and free source of energy. Then, if it falls out of the sky, maybe I’ll reconsider about the effects of prayer.

Credited article to the BBC.

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Score One For the Good Guys

Federal judge in Los Angeles issues summary judgement in a lawsuit against the University of California. The suit was filed by Calvary Chapel Christian School. They claimed that the University's rejection of their courses amounted to a violation of their students first amendment rights under the free exercise clause. Several courses were excluded such as " Christianity's Influence on America" supposedly a college prepatory U.S. history class.

For instance, a UC professor who reviewed Calvary's proposed Christianity's Influence on America class said the course used a textbook that "instructs that the Bible is the unerring source for analysis of historical events," "attributes historical events to divine providence rather than analyzing human action," and "contains inadequate treatment of several major ethnic groups, women and non-Christian religious groups."

Also rejected was a biology course. From the introduction to the textbook used in the class:

Biology for Christian Schools is a textbook for Bible-believing high-school students. Those who do not believe that the Bible is the inspired, inerrant Word of God will find many points in this book puzzling. This book was not written for them.

Wait the facts of biology change based on whether you are a Bible believing Christian or not? The authors of the textbook betray themselves in the very first paragraph of the introduction. If the information presented in the book were true then it would apply to everyone. More:

The people who prepared this book have tried consistently to put the Word of God first and science second. Paul exhorts Christians to live to live in such a way that "in all things [Jesus Christ] might have the preeminence" (Col. 1:18). To the best of the authors' knowlege, the conclusions drawn from observable facts and presented in this book agree with scriptures. If ... at any point God's Word is not put first, the authors apologize.

Wow. Theres not much I can say to make them look anymore rediculous, so i'll let them speak for themselves.

Some of the conclusions a Christian must reach differ from those expressed by secular sources.

No. This is disgusting from a "science" book. This supposed science class runs completely in opposition to what science is supposed to be. In science you should take the facts and let them lead you to a conclusion, some Christians (i.e. intelligent design creationists) take a conclusion and try to manipulate the facts to fit their conclusion. These clowns toss the facts out completely and assert their conclusion.

The same encyclopedia article may state that the grasshopper evolved 300 million years ago. You may find a description of some insect that the grasshopper supposedly evolved from and a description of the insects that scientists say evolved from the grasshopper. You may even find a "scientific" explanation of the biblical locust (grasshopper) plague in Egypt. These statements are conclusions based on "supposed science." If the conclusions contradict the Word of God, the conclusions are wrong, no matter how many scientific facts may appear to back them.

Translation: "LALALALALA I'M NOT LISTENING LALALALALA."

Lets see what Robert Tyler, attorney for the plaintiffs, has to say.

Tyler said he fears schools will become afraid to teach from a Christian perspective.

"We're worried in the long term, Christian education is going to be continually watered down in order to satisfy the UC school system," he said.

You mean they can't lie to their children anymore? Dear god what next? Actual facts in science class?

As a student who regularly gets screwed over by the UC adminstraion (hooray for tuition hikes) I can sympathize with Mr. Tyler. Just kidding this "education" they provide is such a huge joke; I'm forced to take the side of the UC administration... I feel so dirty.

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Go Gauchos

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